Cart 0
the messiness of living wisely


Hi. We are Sarah & Beth. 


We are lawyers, mothers, and hosts of the bipartisan podcast Pantsuit Politics

Just as we differ in political philosophy, we’ve arranged our lives in very different ways - from our careers to where we live to our choices around marriage and family. 

But we have more in common than divides us. In a world that increasingly defaults to false dichotomies, we explore the messiness of living wisely β€”the choices, tradeoffs, priorities, and grace of living a nuanced life. 


Our Episodes


Our Instagram

You can reach us at or

Due to the volume of email we receive, we ask you simply put "No reply needed" in your subject line if you are just sharing without needing a response!